[Kelvic] Mizahar's Wild Children

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[Kelvic] Mizahar's Wild Children

Postby Sliver on July 10th, 2012, 1:14 pm

A Kelvic can bond to any race, Zith, Jamoura, Vantha, whatever. But bonding to another Kelvic seems rather redundant, especially after reading the handy dandy link Sheva posted. If a Kelvic gains some of the personality traits of their master, has their own personality, but also molds it to that of their bond mate, they gain next to nothing from bonding to one another, not to mention both Kelvic would inevitably feel the need to serve, but how do you fall into a master/servant routine when both are magically geared to want to do the serving part of the equation? In the end it seems that it's not that Kelvic wouldn't be able to bond with each other per se, but it just serves no purpose, so what's the point? Kelvic could bond in the traditional way, a hawk and dog Kelvic serving the same Master could have affection for each other, but not on the same level or of the same caliber.
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[Kelvic] Mizahar's Wild Children

Postby Sira on July 10th, 2012, 1:23 pm

The way I have always played it, if two kelvics bond with one another it really depends on the animal. But overall, the bond doesn't necessarily mean master/servant. Just as two people in love wish to please each other (hopefully), it would be the same with two bonded kelvics. They would have a desire to meet one another's needs. To serve doesn't necessarily mean master/servant. I like to think my wife and I are both there to serve one another, neither of us is master. That's how I would treat it with two kelvics.

But then you have to take into account their animal nature. Kelvics sometimes join together in pack of only kelvics, and I would assume that these kelvics are bonded to each other. My other kelvic, Sashi, is a wolf bonded to another wolf. She treats her bondmate as the alpha, but it is also the job of the alpha to care for and protect his pack. He's in charge, but a true leader is just the servant of his people.

Bonding is a lot more complex than just Master/servant. Yes, that is its basis, but you can be creative with it. There is nothing to say that master isn't also the servant.
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[Kelvic] Mizahar's Wild Children

Postby Sliver on July 10th, 2012, 1:57 pm

I guess I'm just looking at it from the perspective of Marcus Kelvic's original goals, so you are entirely right, nothing is that straight forward. Not all bonds mean master or servant, they could be formed of love, or mutual survival, it just seems to me that a Kelvic wolf bonding to another, is not the peak of bonding, at least not in the way the Kelvic were designed. And though these relationships can vary, at the essence of Kelvic is that need to serve and protect. This can come from many sources, but it is still a rather universal trait.

Also you mentioned an Alpha wolf in a pair, and even with your Eagle and her wife, there is always going to be a dominant member of such a bond, regardless of whether or not they are in that role 100% of the time. So even though my terms are rather black and white, I think it's still at the essence of every Kelvic bond (or any relationship really).

My main point, however, is not the bonds themselves, but the fact that it seems that Kelvic get more from being bonded to non-Kelvic. A Kelvic wolf bonded to his/her pack of Kelvic wolves, is just a wolf in their own pack, they are stronger as a unit as opposed to being alone, but so is any wolf. On the flip side a Kelvic bonded like your eagle, is absorbing traits not her own, gaining aspects of her bond mate you would not otherwise have ever learned or experienced. That's all I'm trying to say really.
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[Kelvic] Mizahar's Wild Children

Postby Tryn Frostfawn on July 10th, 2012, 2:20 pm

I'd say whoever was the dominent role in a Kelvic-Kelvic bond would then be decided by the animal species involved
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[Kelvic] Mizahar's Wild Children

Postby Septimus on July 10th, 2012, 2:37 pm

Sounds like a question for a Storyteller. But Kelvics are a species that want to serve and please their bonded master so I don't think that would work out so well when both want to serve and please each other. :/ I'll ask someone.

EDIT: Nope, Kelvics can't bond with other Kelvics
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[Kelvic] Mizahar's Wild Children

Postby Sheva on July 10th, 2012, 2:49 pm

Guys I'd say it all depends on the individuals involved. Precise outcomes can't be predicted because no two kelvics are the same, regardless of the animal.
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[Kelvic] Mizahar's Wild Children

Postby Sira on July 10th, 2012, 2:50 pm

Septimus, who did you ask, because I've never heard that rule?
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[Kelvic] Mizahar's Wild Children

Postby Septimus on July 10th, 2012, 6:06 pm

Has been discussed in chat :P
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Postby Tryn Frostfawn on July 10th, 2012, 7:06 pm

With who lol?
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[Kelvic] Mizahar's Wild Children

Postby Septimus on July 10th, 2012, 7:11 pm

It was a whole long discussion with me, Sira, Shepherd, Sliver, and I do believe a few others.
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