Does this sort of behavior strike anyone as absolutely crazy? I saw no purpose for this PM conversation to go the way it went and truth be told I'm reposting it because I wanted to give the general gaming population of Mizahar a general idea of what sort of WTF kind of newbies we've been dealing with lately.
I'm busy as hell. Yes. But I'm still answering pms. Generally I answer with a short to the point response in order to maximize my time here. And still.... still.... the odd ones are drawn like moths to the flame. So, without further ado.. I give you my WTF pms. Feel free to comment afterwards. Players name has of course been changed to New Player to preserve his dignity.
New Player (Sept 1 8amish) –
Hey Gossamer,
Sorry to bother but I'm thinking of an avatar for my Drykas character and I thought about Raffaello Balzo until I realized you had used of picture of him in the section about Drykas.
Can I or not use him as my avatar then?
Thank very much for your help,
Talk to you
Normal enough, right? Wrong. Just read on.
Gossamer (Wednesday 9amish)-
It is considered incredibly impolite to use avatars of models or actors or pictures that others have already used.
One of my short and to the point responses. I thought I was clear and conveyed the general feeling (and my own) in terms of borrowing images. Besides, not everyone needs to play hot models. There are 6 billion people in the world right? I'm sure you can find someone unique.
New Player (Wednesday 9amish)-
I guess you're just kidding.
Since the picture was used in a general presentation of the race and not in someone's profile, I thought I might be allowed to use it. It's not like I'm stealing someone's identity, is it?
Thank you for your help - past and future.
WTF? How can this guy think I'm just kidding? Its the first hint that something isn't quite right here.
Gossamer (Wednesday 9amish)-
Actually I wasn't. And I prefer that you don't use it. I have repeated problems with people using images (some that I've gone to a great deal of trouble to get artist permission from) from the Wiki. There are 6 billion + people in the world. I'm sure you can select another avatar model from among them.
Goss
Okay, so he needed a more lengthy response. I gave him one. I was clear, concise, and tried to not beat around the bush. Weirdness however, is now forthcoming. Seems my second answer might have ticked him off a bit.
New Player (Wed 930ish)-
That sounds like a clear answer to me!
Thank you for your explanation. I understand now how it can be a trouble for you and won't use it then.
Thank you again for having taken the time to answer my request.
Hope to get a chance to talk to/RP with you under better circumstances
PS: Your first mail sounded kinda aggressive and judgmental. i'm no close to being impolite - i.e. I asked you before doing anything. I'm new here, rules are not completely obvious regarding certain things. As I'm sure you're aware it takes time to adjust to this new (and great) universe. I'm just calling for help, as I'm sure you'd prefer that to a crazy newbie running around doing sh** on this forum
I'm not trying to provoke your wrath or anything, just expressing a feeling I had and didn't like - but be sure I don't have any grief, I just tend to think better relationships are built upon honesty.
Yup. I bet your a bit surprised too. I was. That was sure out of left field.
Gossamer (Thursday 9amish)-
Aggressive and Judgmental? You read too much into single lines of text. What I said was a quick answer meant to explain the whole truth. I do not joke with new players. It is considered very bad form and highly rude to borrow avatars that others are already using. What's rude and judgmental about that?
“Hope to get a chance to talk to/RP with you under better circumstances ”
I have no idea what you mean by this. You just asked me a simple question and I gave you a simple answer. Are these now bad circumstances? I'm a bit... amused by this polite passive aggressiveness on your part now. I'm extremely busy in real life as reflected by my posted schedule. I was simply trying to get your PM answered quickly - I cannot help it if you think I was kidding joking or being rude.
I didn't judge you. I didn't think you impolite. I didn't accuse you of anything. I really think you need to get over yourself. I appreciate questions, but we deal with people that don't follow the rules by not allowing them to run around and do 'shit' on the forums as you claim. You are pretty much provoking my WTF response by these PMs. Ask a simple question... you'll get a simple answer. Nothing more nothing less.
We're not really pro-drama queens here. That's how your coming across.
Gossamer
Yea... I was mad. I let him have it. But it gets weirder. I still don't know where I called him impolite.
New Player (Thurs 9amish)-
Calling me impolite when I'm asking a question is not very nice anyway. I know admin have to deal with all sorts of problems new members can bring and for that I tend to understand your behavior.
Not doing a big drama here, just clarifying something.
You came across as rude when you answered me. Nothing more. Though I appreciate very much that you answered that quickly.
Anyway, as you said, let's not make a big drama. Excuse me for conveying a negative message and for misinterpreting what you were explaining.
I truthfully understand your position and your effort.
Can you please forgive me? Can we just get a fresh start?
Forget what you perceived as drama, I'm not like this. I'm just honest and spontaneous. And I'm here to enjoy myself, just like you I'm sure.
Excuse me again. And THANK YOU!
Rude? You all know me. I'm about to get extremely rude just to demonstrate the difference.
Gossamer (Thurs 11amish)-
“Calling me impolite when I'm asking a question is not very nice anyway. “
Read my pms carefully please. Never once did I call you impolite. Again, get over yourself.
Okay, so I was busy and tired. I should have flamed. Instead I just sent a weenie "you annoy me" type pm.
New Player (Thurs 11amish)-
Gossamer, please, I think I wrote you a quite nice MP, apologizing to you for everything I said or did wrong. I don't want to argue eternally.
I think we both can accept that interpretation of electronic messages is blurred and that I could misunderstand what you told me as you misunderstood my point.
I don't care who's right or wrong, really. But I want to respect you as a person and as this forum's authority. I'm not trying to confront you or anything.
So again, excuse me.
I just want a fresh start and that we can forget about this little "argument" - that my misinterpretation probably provoked in the first place.
Do you forgive me? Do you accept that I can make mistakes but apologize for them and deserve that you forgive me?
Don't you wish you can just lean over someone's shoulder and say 'Stop typing. Just stop typing now before you make it worse." It's the equivalent of 'Shut your mouth before you really say something stupid. You're about past the point of no return."
Gossamer (Friday 1amish)-
I doubt I misinterpreted anything you said. You stated yourself clearly and I took offense.
Also, Cyphrus Striders do not come in black. Here's the wiki excerpt.
Cyphrus Strider
Size: 14hh to 16hh
Color: Buckskin, Dun, Claybank, Palomino - Often with Dorsal Stripe, Stripping or Solid Black on Legs, and Multicolored Mane and Tail. Can be pinto.
Purpose: Riding
Location: Cyphrus Region, Rare but possible to find outside Cyphrus though usually of lower quality or confirmationaly inferior.
Value: 150 gm.
Special Abilities: While on Cyphrus' grasslands, Striders can travel at twice the normal speed of an average horse - reaching speeds easily in excess of 60 mph. This ability is only available to purebreds while in Cyphrus' territory, and often the horses will only gallop fast for those of the Drykas bloodlines or for those which the horses have been gifted to by the Cyphrus Horseclans. These horses often 'pick' their own riders and will rarely accept a rider forced upon them. They rarely wear full tack, only yvas, and can sometimes be luminescent in the dark.
The horse you show images of is more of a Nightwalker which you cannot start out with unless you get special permission. They are too expensive for the starting package.
Goss
There, I redirected his angst towards something else. He seemed unphased by it though and just wanted to bitch some more. Anyone ever see someone fall all over themselves to apologize about something but its not sincere because just prior to that apology they get super critical? Yea... this is about every one of these PMs with this guy. You can't help but think the apology isn't a true sorrow at actions done but rather a way to feel superior by 'I'm the big one. I apologized. They did not. They are small minded." being some sort of apologetic sacrificial lamb? It means nothing if its not sincere. I sensed no sincerity here.
New player (Friday 4amish)r-
I thought I had read something about the Cyphrus Strider but couldn't find it again... Thanks for the tip, I'll change that!
And I'm surprised how you were able to call me a drama queen when you can't even accept an excuse and admit you misinterpreted something. Because you are misinterpreting what I said obviously...
I never insulted you, or judged you... I just told you your way of answering me offended me in a way... I don't see how that's offensive.
Frankly Gossamer, double standards is not the best way. Why can't you get passed this pride and simply accept my words for what they are and my apologies? I'm not even asking for an apology on your part.
So I'll repeat it one last time - it's getting humiliating after that - I'm sorry I reacted this way to a simple piece of advice. I apologize for misinterpreting and offending you.
Thank you again for your help too, and your patience.
Friendly,
Newplayer
So at this point... if I write back, it just feeds the fire. The guy really is beyond my ability to care about him. He posted his character sheet, and seems to have a hot enough avatar in place (I knew he could do it... 6 billion people.. one outta fit his character concept.
So... in conclusion people... this is what I have to deal with. Any advice, suggestions, or comments welcome. I'm frustrated at this point and not too respectful of coddling innocent fragile youth if this is what this one needs. So if someone else wants to talk to him for me... that'd be great. I'll point you in the right direction.
Goss