Bob: You spell it the same front and back

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Bob: You spell it the same front and back

Postby Darik on November 27th, 2011, 1:29 am

Bob I read your sig so I decided to check what’s wrong. To my horror I saw this “ Darik(something stupid)”! D: I thought Bob and Darik did intelligent things! :P

Now my thoughts on your last status update. I also joined because of the experience system. Has it worked? Yes and no. It helped me become a much better descriptive writer. The only way I could get points was to describe things more in depth. Also it added an incentive to post. I finished threads that bored me just so I could get xp.

However, it did create a bit of anguish for me. I do the same thing as you and view all the skill rewards ((and money rewards)). I get really depressed how many skills points people get and how awesome they are compared to Darik. But there is an easy fix. Read what they wrote and find something wrong they do but you do right. Hold that in your mind so you feel superior and as a result feel better. Is it petty? Yes. Does it work? Hell ya!

Also about you being behind other pcs, I don’t really see that as bad. Dedication is a much more powerful force than speed. If you are dedicated, sooner or later the speedy pcs will drop out leaving you behind to rule!

Ronan: Consult Gossamar first? I thought we did the chain of command here? *is confused* Also it’s a scrapbook, it’s a place to put anything. :P Though I find your comment a bit mean. Because in the grand scheme of things Mizahar doesn’t matter! :P

Halycon: I love your idea of short and sweet. I would hate to see your idea of long and epic. :P But maybe you can help me out and post in this scrapbook((or pm me, I don’t care)) about what fives usually contain. It would be very helpful to have.
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Postby Eridanus on November 27th, 2011, 4:35 am

In all seriousness, playing Bob initially was fun but it does not seem worth it at all anymore just because someone decided to take a dump on him and other people are following suit. I should have flushed him down as soon as it happened.


Well I'm here to tell you, Bob, that I (the author, not the PC :P) is a fan of your writing style. Besides Darik, Bob is the other guy that gets me cracking with his epic phailures and off-hand comments. The threads I did with you gave me the opportunity to read more of the stuff you write, and honestly it's (in a british accent) bloody hilarious. Seriously. That's why I gave your PC the honour of being the only mortal (in quite a while) to actually be able to elicit some anger/rage from my normally emotionless ethaefal.
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Bob: You spell it the same front and back

Postby Gossamer on November 27th, 2011, 2:04 pm

I think there comes a point where one buries oneself in a hole so deep its hard to climb out of it. I also think there comes a point where its all just drama drama drama. I think that drama drama drama point was reached a long time ago. People bring about their own problems. I've personally seen at least two faces Bob. Half the game loves you because you show them one face. Half the game loathes you because you show them another. Never the two shall meet either, since there seems to be zero crossover. The mistake comes, however, when you isolate the storytellers as well as the players. I think you've effectively done that at this point as well.
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Postby Bob Barton on November 28th, 2011, 3:54 pm

But Darik, that is what you always do and we love you for it so I need to join in on the fun too :P But I think we better up the ante because I don't think rat meat is considered stupid enough especially in a place like Sunberth ;)

As for the two from before, I have no idea where you got any misconception from because I thought that while I have made it pretty clear from the outset that while this is about skills, I am talking about skill gains in a one, e.g. my PC does something in a thread and he could get at least a one for it instead of demanding for a perfect five. I am not saying this as like something I feel because it is not. The only reason why I am able to ask an opinion or confirmation about this is because I have read the awarding xp post in Gossamer's scrapbook before and it implies a sort of increasing graph in maths or economics based on my interpretation. I don't know how to put something like that here but for those who do know what i mean, think of it as the x-axis being skills and y-axis being use so going to a higher number in skill awards would demand more use. That is about it in a simple and brief paragraph about what you could read above.

To further clarify some of the things Halcyon has said,
  • If you can consider something like this bashing then I'd really hate to see what you would call me when I do bash instead of writing out points and observations that I have found in hopes that the information is sufficient for people to read.
  • When I go for a specific skill or lore I add it to the request. So it would be hard for an ST to miss it but instead refuse to give due to subjective standards.
  • Subjective standards include the aforementioned PC effort, legitimate process or extreme detail) that differ between each person that a player cannot be expected to keep track of or accommodate for them all. Hence I say again, at least a one because I opt for the lesser amount whether the detail is excruciatingly beautiful or not.
  • Personally I also feel unappreciated after a long conversation in PMs complete with what my PC did, how he did it and why to be denied anything just because of the above.
  • It is good that you are volunteering then and it is something very commendable and to be appreciated. I would also appreciate it even more if what I have said can be taken constructively instead of any misconceptions which in turn makes it seem like I meant offence :)

So if you have not realized yet, yes I do use the PMs and whatever is in this scrap is not to undermine anyone as you seem to believe. I feel that this sudden jump on me was because one of you got offended with me pointing out that Syliras STs may be slow in chat earlier that day? You may have a lot of responsibilites because of your position true, but that does not mean that when someone points out something about it you should neglect to see what they mean just to get your say. :) I only did what a lot of other people do when someone asks about Syliras which is tell a person that their thread awards might take some time because it is a lot better than them expectantly waiting for it and feel like they are stuck. I have quite a number of threads waiting in Syliras too but you don't see me complaining or bashing about how long it is taking right? ;) So please don't try and make or act on a wrong impression of me.

Ronan, as Darik has said this is a scrapbook and we all use it to put whatever we feel like we should. For me I prefer to use personal observations and thoughts on the game which I have experienced. To answer your question, if it is not important then why do we even bother sending it to the STs which I believe that you have been doing as well? It is because the skill system is an indicator of the limits and capabilities of what our PCs can do. An example I would give pertaining to my concerns on skills which I have been touching on, if my PC has a low skill level, I will roleplay him as such but due to the subjective criteria I do not get the xp because it is not enough for the standards which differ from ST to ST. This is all about how you want your character to appear Ronan, without going over any limits accidentally ;) Like for Bob with his main skill being gambling, I want to at least know how his experiences which is illustrated by his skills would make him act. Would he know he is being cheated? Would he know when to call it quits? Would he know when he is against a better person? I don't like solos, or training threads racing to a power level of 9000 and I only do those when there is a reason because where is the fun in playing with yourself? I rather do it with other people. A lot more opportunities for interesting things to happen that way but sometimes the skills are needed for when you are at odds. ;)

I'd like to think of it more of a pitfall trap than a hole especially in terms of the game. Yes some events have been pretty frustrating for me as a player (no it is not the skill system in case that is what some of you are thinking but something else) and while I have been pretty patient throughout, I am prone to losing it a little sometimes. Very sorry for any nonsense that the sudden pop up surprised may have caused :P As for that response in your scrap and the whisper (which I have missed until too late XD), that is a very nice offer but I will have to turn it down because as I said what I have put up is only for the sake of illustration and for my own knowledge. Its not just in me to get someone else into trouble so thank you for understanding.

If anyone has any need for further clarification about anything in this scrap, feel free to ask but I hope that everything I have said would be understood properly so that I won't have to explain again. XD
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Postby Phoenix on November 28th, 2011, 10:18 pm

So yeah...would it really hurt you guys to give at least a one for something that I did in a thread? It is not even a one to two sentence kind of thing unless there is really nothing I can do about it. Some of them go on for paragraph(s) or the whole post itself. And pretty much, the experience is for my efforts in trying to portray something in the thread isn't it? (or am I mistaken?) So why is it that you can give me an argument that my own efforts do not matter and it is only my character's efforts in using that skill? Or that one post completely on a skill which is of a few paragraphs do not matter to any experience because you don't think its detailed enough? Or that my character did not do enough even for a one because in that given situation he cannot do too much? That totally does not make sense (at least to me) I would be better off not wasting my time and energy going into detail about everything which is done and that my character thinks about it tojust finish it off with one boring sentence just so you can justify giving me a low amount or nothing at all.

The worst part of this is that nowadays when I am not doing anything for myself I end up just looking through new thread awards by STs and file them into my mind as [go to] and [not go to unless I really need to].


To answer your question, if it is not important then why do we even bother sending it to the STs which I believe that you have been doing as well? It is because the skill system is an indicator of the limits and capabilities of what our PCs can do.


I don't like solos, or training threads racing to a power level of 9000 and I only do those when there is a reason because where is the fun in playing with yourself? I rather do it with other people. A lot more opportunities for interesting things to happen that way but sometimes the skills are needed for when you are at odds.


Alright. I tried to choose quotes and keep them within context of what you were talking about. I know I am picking apart what you are saying but just like you felt the need to post your original scrap about ST's, I feel the need to reply. And I will do so in a polite manner.

The first quote I pulled is the one that made most people who read it go "WTF..." It's funny you say that about getting even just one point in a skill because you brought it up in your thread, because just the other day I was complaining about how some ST's will give my PC one or two in a skill that she will never, ever use again. Granted, I was talking about points that I was given that lay on the cusp between two different skills; one of which I already have some points accumulated, the other where I now only have that one point. So, regarding your quote, everybody looks at things differently whether it be a ST giving out the credit or the PC receiving it. Yes, you technically have every right to put a do and don't list of story tellers in your head of who you want to grade your thread; maybe your do's give you those singular points. It makes sense. It works for you.

However... The issue came how you said it, and I hope you can see that. Angry responses and accusations come from when you type without thinking and offend someone. Words are powerful, as we all know, and when flailed indiscriminately can really do some damage. You can't be nice to some people, mean to others and then expect everyone to read your words unbiasly.

From a Storytellers point of view, I don't like to hand out single points. Why? Because if that person really wanted that point, they would have embellished, added more detail, had their PC stick to that skill for longer. If that one skill was THAT important, it would have happened. I hand out single points when that person clearly tried and just... didn't quite do enough to deserve more. *Shrug* We have to be picky, sometimes. And if your skill is going on for an entire post, and yet you didn't get a single point for it... maybe, just maybe, you didn't make that skill clear enough. Things that sound awesome in your head and to your eyes don't always translate perfectly to someone else. It's happened to me before, it will happen again, and it happens to everyone.

That ties into your second quote I put above. It's the limits and capabilites of your PC. You also mentioned that you're worried/concerend that Bob will straggle behind other PC's that have lots of points in many skills. I know you probably realize this, but a one or two in something isn't ever going to come in handy. Having a 1/100 in walking means that maybe, possibly, you've heard of this "walking" thing in passing, yet you don't know how to do it yourself. You made a mention of wanting to just aquire skills in a natural way, just letting them happen as you write your posts, and that's commendable. I wouldn't be able to do it. But what I don't get is how you can want to do that, avoid doing solo's or training threads and yet still worry about not having many high level skills. Those are all contradictory things. Even in real life, you just dont go about your day and hope you stumble upon excerscize, meaning you can't be jealous of buff, fit people because they have tons of muscle and you don't. They go out of their way to train and work out, and you didn't.

I love horseback riding. If I just waited around and went about my day hoping that a horse would appear and there would be reason for me to get on it and ride, I would have no skill in it at all ( in real life, I mean.)... Do you see what I'm trying to get at here? While your opinion of how Bob should get skills does make sense and is logical to an extent, you have to then carry over your expectations to that way of writing. You're going to lag behind in skills if you don't do solo's or training threads. It's just the nature of the game. Some people like it, some people hate it.

That's all I really wanted to point out, that everyone does it differently and that as a storyteller having read that blog however many weeks ago you posted it and feeling a little affronted. Like I said before, you have every right to have a favorite ST for your own reasons. Scraps are for letting saying what you want to say, it's true, but you're also putting it on the internet, in a public place for everyone to see. You need to assume that everyone is going to read it. You also need to assume that not everyone is going to agree with you. So when people see less-than-flattering comments in a tone that is also less than friendly, they assume you meant it to offend, hurt, whatever. Self explanatory, I know, but you'd be surprised how many people don't think about it that way anymore.
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Postby Halcyon on November 28th, 2011, 11:00 pm

I am in agreement with everything Phoenix, Ronan, and Goss/Jen have said. Instead of arguing, why don't you open your eyes a little and see what we're trying to tell you. Arguing with us doesn't make us any more willing to explain our standpoint to you. You're wanting us to bow down and say "Oh yeah Bob, we're sorry. Here, you deserved a five afterall" and it's not happening, so you're arguing to get your way. It's evident, it's clear, and it's depreciating.

The grading system is the way it is for a valid reason. If an ST gave you a one in a skill, it wasn't without reason. We don't just toss out ones for no reason, and the same rule applies to fives. Darik politely asked for an outline of the expectations for the scores, to which I replied with an explanation that took nearly 2 hours to write. Ask him for it. I'm sure he'd be happy to share what he has learned with you.

You see, here's the thing. We do this for fun (in the great words of Jen.) We're volunteering to do this. We're busting our tails for the players here. And some respect and understanding is all we ask.
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Postby Halcyon on November 28th, 2011, 11:02 pm

Also, throwing in smiley faces doesn't change the tone of what you're saying in your scrap. It doesn't edit how we perceive it.
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Postby Nixie on May 8th, 2012, 10:55 am

Sheesh! Your scrapbook hasn't had any love in a looong time.. So here is some love. :p

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Right now my computer isn't working and am being forced to write posts on my phone. So please be patient with me. And sorry for any spelling errors or lack of post coding.
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Postby Bob Barton on October 11th, 2012, 2:59 pm

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Because it is a very well known fact that T.I. Double Grrrrrr ERs gets all their fun from bouncing so... I'm gonna have to bounce. Sorry to all the lads and laddies that I promised fun times. Byebye Miz!
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Postby Bob Barton on March 24th, 2014, 5:40 pm



Hmmmmm ideas, ideas... What to do, what to do...Oh, I know!

  • Cool new set of armour (Lion motif not required although it will look cool. Maybe something equivalent...)
  • Use of intimidation, verbal intimidation especially (which also means time to find a Bronn, any volunteers?)
  • Get bitchy sister (or some equivalent relative failing that) which comes with a whiny nephew (to go slap happy)
  • Learn how to use a shield (should get to making that one sooner or later)
  • Get into politics, or some large forum discussion thingy (Need to find a city to do it in and move there. Or would Zeltiva work?)
List is in no particular order, but I should find some people to coordinate with so like...people who are reading this help me out with suggestions and threads alright? :D
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